Hmmm. That's what Wire supporters were saying yesterday and they are now looking silly.

It doesnt matter if the roof caves in or not anyway, we wont be paying a penny

We do. The wind blew a hole in it.

£4000 an hour.



Wonder is she does a pro-rata rate?

For me, if it was a choice between owning a stadium with an 18k capacity or less (such as Warrington currently have) or lease the 26k DW stadium, it's lease all the way.



Our average last season was over 16,000 and we attracted five 19k+ home attendances.

Yet Warrington's revenue for the year will be significently greater than Wigans.



If the game is to compete with the likes of RU and the NRL then clubs will have to generate bigger revenues so that they can attempt to comete salary wise. Owning your own stadium provides opportunities to do so. Pros and cons in renting and owning but I do believe that owning your stadium is the preferred option.

Will they?

Have you accounted for the earnings from Central Park?

beg to differ...

Rogues Gallery and Pieman: £25 each that Warrington's turnover for the year being referred to will be higher's than Wigan's.



Money where your mouth is time?

Which year are we referring to?

Wont be for this current year. We have a bigger stadium to take receipts from with higher attendances too plus we have prize money from the cup.

Refer to Matty B's post that I responded to.





We can add Hula89 to the £25 list as well.

Comparing turnovers is pointless, the only thing worth comparing is profit.



"Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity"

They have corners now, so expect revenue to at least double.

Wire may have posted a bigger turnover but surely their unsuccessful season concerning major trophies and large overheads of stadium maintenance would have lead to reduced profits.

Christ that's rich coming from a Saints' fan. Last profit Saints posted was reported in bushells of corn.

So to get it straight, we are talking for the period November 2010 to October 2011?

And how much is significe(a)ntly?

The bet was higher.



Last time you asked me what significant meant was to do with Joel Tomkins' salary increase and you went missing after my response (just like you did when asked to split your 1,600 figure into facilities last week).





In relation to Central Park; what is thwe ownership arrangement? Has the counicl provided a lease to the Wigan / Central Training partnership or are the council also part of that partnership? Who will be responsible for maintenance costs, you seem so worried about the up-keep costs of a stadium that you must be having sleepness nights with the worry of the running costs of a school!

The other team who share our Stadium had a massive turnover of £43m in 2010 but still came out with losses of £4m. So much so that their owner had to tranfer £48m of debt into shares which wrote of the debt the club owed to him.



Is it all fooking worth it?



Meanwhile we're making a modest (but growing year on year since IL) profit, investing in other areas slowly, (Central Park Education Centre / South Wales Venture), our training facilities at Orrell have often been quoted as the best in the league by far and we attract the best support in the league by far (along with Leeds) and have done since the mid eighties.



We're doing alreet.

I'd lye of the ael.

What has the maintenance costs to do with the revenue generated?



Are we talking about the year November 2010 to October 2011?

Sorry, forgot to mention - our Youth policy remains the best in the game and has been for decades where the club have put a lot of their investment into *(almost) single handedly propping up the game with our ex young talent.



* Leeds & Saints have also provided significant talent to the game over the years.

Don't remind his "friend" about the U20 final and Wire playing a Challenge Cup winning over age player in their losing side.

The point I was making is that when people talk about increasing players salaries to do this sustainably you have to increase revenue accordingly (otherwise you end up with the situation at Wigan Atheletic that you refer to). Having your own facilities such as a stadium provide greater opportunities to do so. Obviously Warrington's gate receipts are some way below Wigan's yet other evenue streams allow us to make up the shortfall.



This has also been done to provide profits in something like four of the last five seasons whilst I think Wigan have only posted a profit once in that period.



I don't think Orrell has recently been quoted as the best traiuning facility in the league by anybody outside of the Wigan club. It is falling further and further behind facilities other clubs have (which I'm sure is one of the drivers behind the move of facilities to Central Park; 3G pitch etc). I've seen it up close plenty of times.



There is no doubt that Wigan are doing better than alreet in comparison with its peers in Super League however rugby league needs to up its game considerably going forward to compete with external forces.



As a companison the top 15 revenues for rugby clubs in Europe are:



Position Club 2009/10 Revenue (£m)

1 Toulouse 27.4

2 Clermont Auvergne 19.5

3 Leicester Tigers 18.5

4 Stade Français 18

5 Racing Métro 92 17.2

6 Toulon 16.4

7 Brive 16

8 Montpellier 14.8

9 Biarritz Olympique 14.5

10 Perpignan 12.9

11 Northampton Saints 12

12 Bayonne 12

13 Castres Olympique 11.8

14 Harlequins 10.6

15 Gloucester 9.4



That is what we have to compete with.

Christ are you still hiding behind that post shouting for forward passes?

Aye but I wasn't the one who was sat there not knowing what the score was.





btw I do agree with your post above regarding Rugby Union revenues.