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Quote Stinky Turner="Stinky Turner"I don't think Orrell has recently been quoted as the best traiuning facility in the league by anybody outside of the Wigan club. It is falling further and further behind facilities other clubs have (which I'm sure is one of the drivers behind the move of facilities to Central Park; 3G pitch etc). I've seen it up close plenty of times..'"
Not talking about the pitch.
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=41
Quote Stinky TurnerIn 2007 the Warriors opened their £2million state-of-the-art training centre within the grounds of the Co-operative Community Stadium. This provides world class training facilities for the Warriors first team, U20 and U18 academy structure. '"
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=42
Quote Stinky TurnerThe Warriors High Performance Training Centre is situated at the Co-operative Community Stadium, Orrell which is the former home of the Orrell Rugby Union Club. The clubhouse has been transformed into a £2 million state-of-the-art training centre where the first team train and the U20 and U18 academy teams also play their home matches.
The facility was kitted out in the close season of 2006 with the players moving in full time in early February 2007. =#800000The centre is the best in Super League and provides an all year round base for the club away from the DW Stadium.
The complex houses a multi functional gym, combat zone and changing rooms. There is also a fully equipped medical room and even a plunge pool and Jacuzzi to aid player recovery.
Also located onsite is a Video room where players and coaching staff preview and review opponents, a comfortable Players Lounge to relax, coaches offices as well as a dining room with kitchen where the players specialist dietry plans and menus are prepared and served.'"
But go on then, lets talk about out training pitch then:
Quote Stinky TurnerPitch: The main pitch is floodlit and arguably offers a better playing surface than many other Super League club stadia. It is also used by the academy and reserve teams with a capacity of approximately 2,500.'"

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Quote Stinky Turner="Stinky Turner"I don't think Orrell has recently been quoted as the best traiuning facility in the league by anybody outside of the Wigan club. It is falling further and further behind facilities other clubs have (which I'm sure is one of the drivers behind the move of facilities to Central Park; 3G pitch etc). I've seen it up close plenty of times..'"
Not talking about the pitch.
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=41
Quote Stinky TurnerIn 2007 the Warriors opened their £2million state-of-the-art training centre within the grounds of the Co-operative Community Stadium. This provides world class training facilities for the Warriors first team, U20 and U18 academy structure. '"
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=42
Quote Stinky TurnerThe Warriors High Performance Training Centre is situated at the Co-operative Community Stadium, Orrell which is the former home of the Orrell Rugby Union Club. The clubhouse has been transformed into a £2 million state-of-the-art training centre where the first team train and the U20 and U18 academy teams also play their home matches.
The facility was kitted out in the close season of 2006 with the players moving in full time in early February 2007. =#800000The centre is the best in Super League and provides an all year round base for the club away from the DW Stadium.
The complex houses a multi functional gym, combat zone and changing rooms. There is also a fully equipped medical room and even a plunge pool and Jacuzzi to aid player recovery.
Also located onsite is a Video room where players and coaching staff preview and review opponents, a comfortable Players Lounge to relax, coaches offices as well as a dining room with kitchen where the players specialist dietry plans and menus are prepared and served.'"
But go on then, lets talk about out training pitch then:
Quote Stinky TurnerPitch: The main pitch is floodlit and arguably offers a better playing surface than many other Super League club stadia. It is also used by the academy and reserve teams with a capacity of approximately 2,500.'"

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| Quote Stinky Turner="Stinky Turner"The point I was making is that when people talk about increasing players salaries to do this sustainably you have to increase revenue accordingly (otherwise you end up with the situation at Wigan Atheletic that you refer to). Having your own facilities such as a stadium provide greater opportunities to do so. Obviously Warrington's gate receipts are some way below Wigan's yet other evenue streams allow us to make up the shortfall.
This has also been done to provide profits in something like four of the last five seasons whilst I think Wigan have only posted a profit once in that period.
I don't think Orrell has recently been quoted as the best traiuning facility in the league by anybody outside of the Wigan club. It is falling further and further behind facilities other clubs have (which I'm sure is one of the drivers behind the move of facilities to Central Park; 3G pitch etc). I've seen it up close plenty of times.
There is no doubt that Wigan are doing better than alreet in comparison with its peers in Super League however rugby league needs to up its game considerably going forward to compete with external forces.
As a companison the top 15 revenues for rugby clubs in Europe are:
Position Club 2009/10 Revenue (£m)
1 Toulouse 27.4
2 Clermont Auvergne 19.5
3 Leicester Tigers 18.5
4 Stade Français 18
5 Racing Métro 92 17.2
6 Toulon 16.4
7 Brive 16
8 Montpellier 14.8
9 Biarritz Olympique 14.5
10 Perpignan 12.9
11 Northampton Saints 12
12 Bayonne 12
13 Castres Olympique 11.8
14 Harlequins 10.6
15 Gloucester 9.4
That is what we have to compete with.'"
There are so many reason's why Union post these kind's of profits look no closer than Leicester Tiger's match day tickets for an adult they range from £47-21. The demand for ticket's must be pretty high if they can sell ticket's at nearly £50 for a standard league game, i for one am glad we don't see these extortionate prices in League what we must improve on as a sport is the demand for ticket's at their current pricing.
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| Quote tugglesf78="tugglesf78"£4000 an hour.
Wonder is she does a pro-rata rate?
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Would one get pensioners rates.
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You know the bit when I said "recently" and "outside of the club". You haven't really addressed those points.
As I said I have seen the facilities at Orrell up close and they are falling behind what some other clubs can offer.
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You know the bit when I said "recently" and "outside of the club". You haven't really addressed those points.
As I said I have seen the facilities at Orrell up close and they are falling behind what some other clubs can offer.
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| Ah recently......!! As Wigan invested £2m on training facilities as early as 2006, as per typical in Rugby League where we lead others follow. If our facilites start to look a little dated by now, no doubt we will re-invest, or we could just use the local university's gym I suppose??
When Maguire arrived he remarked how the facilities at Orrell compared favourably with the NRL clubs, not exactly falling to pieces as the picture you are trying to paint.
My cousin (up to last season) worked as a scholarship coach at Orrell (having previously worked at various other clubs in the league) and he told me the facilities there were tremendous.
But then again I'm sure you know best Mr Turner/Paul Youane or whoever you really are? 
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"But then again I'm sure you know best Mr Turner/Paul Youane or whoever you really are?
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I've never understood the need to have a 'trolling' account. Quite sad really.
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| Quote Pemps="Pemps"I've never understood the need to have a 'trolling' account. Quite sad really.'"
I'd actually say it's the act of a small minded person. If you want to troll, just use your own account. It's not hard, it's a skill that some have mastered!
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Quote Pemps="Pemps"I've never understood the need to have a 'trolling' account. Quite sad really.'"
Especially when folk have connected the two together.
Then again, the Wire lot were adamant that Onedego is Odemwingie's trolling account: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=516083&start=10 (bottom of page two).

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Quote Pemps="Pemps"I've never understood the need to have a 'trolling' account. Quite sad really.'"
Especially when folk have connected the two together.
Then again, the Wire lot were adamant that Onedego is Odemwingie's trolling account: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=516083&start=10 (bottom of page two).

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| Quote onedego="onedego"I'd actually say it's the act of a small minded person. If you want to troll, just use your own account. It's not hard, it's a skill that some have mastered!'"
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| Just saw that and lodged my offence at being accused of being Odem! Hell, I wouldn't mind, but i'm 10 years older!
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| It's the off season and we still have dick measuring contests, 
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| Quote Galloping Ghost="Galloping Ghost"It's the off season and we still have dick measuring contests,
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I know. Discussing the state of each other's stadia, especially when some of them appear to be falling down, should be completely off limits.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"I know. Discussing the state of each other's stadia, especially when some of them appear to be falling down, should be completely off limits.'"
Yes, after all the adverse comments over the years about the DW from fans of other clubs, how unreasonable of Wigan fans to want to discuss the failure of Saints' (and now Wire's) stadia to stand up to winter weather... especially given the obvious safety issues... it's quite outrageous of us, really... 
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| Anyway, was any further damage caused to Trailer Park stadium yesterday? 
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| Quote Deano G="Deano G"Anyway, was any further damage caused to Trailer Park stadium yesterday?
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I heard that a large pigeon landed on a part of the roof at the North end of the ground and caused £465,297.15 worth of damage
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| Quote [Gareth="[Gareth"I heard that a large pigeon landed on a part of the roof at the North end of the ground and caused £465,297.15 worth of damage'"
Just like it would have done at knowsley hole then. Nothing changes. 
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| I've been to the DW a few times and am quite amazed at the difference in atmosphere generated between RL and Football... I went there with my mate from Uni to watch Liverpool play there and the atmosphere was created by the Away fans in the main, but watching a Wigan v Saints game there is an unbelieveable experience. There is a certain air of electricity in the air whenever Wigan and Saints collide.
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| Quote St_Cunningham_no9="St_Cunningham_no9"I've been to the DW a few times and am quite amazed at the difference in atmosphere generated between RL and Football... I went there with my mate from Uni to watch Liverpool play there and the atmosphere was created by the Away fans in the main, but watching a Wigan v Saints game there is an unbelieveable experience. There is a certain air of electricity in the air whenever Wigan and Saints collide.'"
thats because it doesnt escape through the roof...
(sorry, couldnt resist)
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| Quote Stinky Turner="Stinky Turner"The point I was making is that when people talk about increasing players salaries to do this sustainably you have to increase revenue accordingly (otherwise you end up with the situation at Wigan Atheletic that you refer to). Having your own facilities such as a stadium provide greater opportunities to do so. Obviously Warrington's gate receipts are some way below Wigan's yet other evenue streams allow us to make up the shortfall.
This has also been done to provide profits in something like four of the last five seasons whilst I think Wigan have only posted a profit once in that period.
I don't think Orrell has recently been quoted as the best traiuning facility in the league by anybody outside of the Wigan club. It[u is falling further and further behind facilities other clubs have (which I'm sure is one of the drivers behind the move of facilities to Central Park[/u; 3G pitch etc). I've seen it up close plenty of times.
There is no doubt that Wigan are doing better than alreet in comparison with its peers in Super League however rugby league needs to up its game considerably going forward to compete with external forces.
As a companison the top 15 revenues for rugby clubs in Europe are:
Position Club 2009/10 Revenue (£m)
1 Toulouse 27.4
2 Clermont Auvergne 19.5
3 Leicester Tigers 18.5
4 Stade Français 18
5 Racing Métro 92 17.2
6 Toulon 16.4
7 Brive 16
8 Montpellier 14.8
9 Biarritz Olympique 14.5
10 Perpignan 12.9
11 Northampton Saints 12
12 Bayonne 12
13 Castres Olympique 11.8
14 Harlequins 10.6
15 Gloucester 9.4
That is what we have to compete with.'"
RLfans made up fact of the day....
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| Quote SomersetSaint="SomersetSaint"Comparing turnovers is pointless, the only thing worth comparing is profit.
"Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity"
Quote SomersetSaint="Stinky Turner"Christ that's rich coming from a Saints' fan. Last profit Saints posted was reported in bushells of corn.'"
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My comment was not aimed at any club, it wasn't meant to be scoring points, it is an observation that could be aimed at any company in any business sector. For sure, Saints have been making losses for too many years, and that is an unsustainable position, for any rugby club, or any business. The new ground will hopefully increase our revenue, but unless that can be turned into profits or at least a break even position, then Saints as we know it today won't be around for much longer.
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| Quote [Gareth="[Gareth"thats because it doesnt escape through the roof...
(sorry, couldnt resist)'"
If it were the other way round, I'd have done the same!!! 
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| Another day, another bashing for Stinky/Youane 
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| Quote Orrell Lad="Orrell Lad"Another day, another bashing for Stinky/Youane
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If he offered £25 bets all the time, his debt profile would be up there with Greece.
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